On all pages and overviews I can popup a window to see the status of a user and more but what I do not see is his post or role inside the organization or his phone number.
This is very important for a big number of users where you have to select the right person to communicate with.
Could you please add at least the post or role and phone number between name of user and his e-mail address.
You could provide it as an option to be shown only to registered users.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
PS. 31. Oct. 2010 – Meanwhile I found the User Profile Plug In, which seems to provide what I am looking for. Unfortunately it also seem to be not compatible with confluence 3.4, and the style of the user popup window which shows up if you hover over a userlink is not that nice as refinedwiki standards. Have a glance on this plugin in and you might like to implement such functionality in refinedwiki themes.
Hi, we haven't made any changes to the user popup and they are not so easy to change from a theme. You should give this feature request to the Atlassian team.
I like to modify the include user macro to show RefinedWiki style + - Icons as used on categories but I could not find the icon and guess its included into RefinedWiki jar.
To modify include macro to use + - instead of the right and down arrows I need to know $imagePath and corresponding files.
I think its just nice to keep RefinedWiki style also within content.
Add custom field to name home page on space creation:.
Could you please add a a custom field on RefinedWiki default space settings to set a default for which name is used instead of "Home" for a new space on creation. As is I always have to change name of spaces after creation because "home" is odd in German. Even better would be if a custom name for spaces would relay on category settings. So each category could have a custom field to set the name of home page of a space. A postfix could be also handy.
Advantage: A predefined custom Name helps to distinguish home pages.
So what to do:
1.add one field in categories that overwrites "home" as home page name.
2. add a postfix in categories that will be added to the custom name of a new home page.
A better solution than "Add custom field to name home page on space creation" would be to modify Global space layout to be available on categories and sub-categories.
Someone creates a categorie and applies some default layout settings for new spaces created under this category and even name of home page could be customized.
A sub-category would follow this structure with its own default layout setting.
Global space default layout would stay as it is.
How to use:
1. If someone creates a new space and does not select any category – global default space layout will be used.
2. If someone creates a new space and does select a category but not a subcategory – specific category default layout will be used.
3. If someone creates a new space and does select a category and a subcategory – specific sub-category default layout will be used.
What to prepare:
Admin users would have to create there layout style according their demand and insert it according to their spaces into the corresponding category and sub-category default layout fields. After this applied every new space could be createt right away with its specific settings on demand.
Prospect
Customized default layouts of categories and sub-categories could custom content specific for certain styles and arangements for different kind of knowledge-bases, tasks, projects, documentations, custom content, languages etc. or even templates or live-templates.
With this provided RefinedWiki would increase in its clean and easy concept.
Actually spaces in categories and sub-categories are sorted according to their space-names. This ends up that spaces migt be displayed in an odd order not corresponding to workflows and what people look for.
How to use:
While starting to create a space and after assign of space-name, space-key and permissions last step would be to apply on demand category and maybe also subcategory. In this area are 3 radio buttons that a user can either select sort by space-name (which will stay default), sort by space-key or sort on custom-order.
Custom-order would have a number to select as you do have it as an option for category-tabs.
This will display the spaces in only in Sorted order as it would make no real sense on Team, Favorite or New Tab sections on Dashboard view.
Prospect
With Custom Sort users find spaces on demand as they would expect to appear according to workflows and sub-space features of other plugins could be omitted.
since 2005 people ask for a feature in confluence to be able to convert a mail out of mail-archive to a page which hasn’t been followed up jet.
Adaptavist provides this feature with its compound-menuitem macro but this need to be used on a theme-builder theme as the mail archive page cant be modified unless someone redo customization on that page-layout every time an upgrade occurs.
Actually an e-mail received with an attachment must be copied manually and the attachment must be downloaded, a new page must be created, the text inserted and attachment uploaded again – well this does not sound like being in 2010.
Why do we need E-mail
It is possible to send E-mails directly into a page or news blog with certain plugins. I tested them all but non of them are stable. One of those plugins just blown away one of my spaces that way I had to rebuild it. But E-mail archive seems to be stable and it keeps the header of an received e-mail which others don’t do.
Working with projects on RefinedWiki we do have a second communication channel running with E-Mails. To keep track of all documents and actuality is quite a big job to do and it still occurs that wrong versions are in use. While I can send E-Mail out of confluence I could solve this problem if we could manage to receive E-Mails into confluence which could be forwarded to project spaces. Than I could cut off this second communication channel - keep all actual at one place.
Solution
With RefinedWiki it might be possible to add just as an menu option to create a page including attachments out of an e-mail – as it already is a page within confluence – to receive a duplicate for further workflow processing to enhance project management capabilities. I would leave the e-mail archive untouched to get some kind of e-mail protocol and save point.
Blogs visible on dashboard are created by adding a label visible_on_dashboard to a blog and will be invisible again by removing this label from a blog by triggering blogpost status button.
We use blogs on space level, category level and dashboard level to keep people informed about more and more global actions.
I created on catergory/sub-dashboard following macro and add such a label with add-label macro.
Solution
I would like to see you adding this ability as a standard, so it would be as easy to use as what label visible_on_dashboard does.
Let us have a button nearby the visible_on_dashboard button that allows us to add and remove a category label for local category blogs so that they could be easily added or removed from sub-dashboard of a category.
Improvement on "recently-updated-dashboard-category"
On some cases it would be great if this plug-in would support a root page to be set. Pagetree does support this already.
What I like to create is some kind of "recently-updated-sub-dashboard-rootpage", within a pagetree I like to get a sub-dashboard which is helpful on spaces which contain fast updating content. The Idea is to split recently-updated reports according to a pagetree - thus a root page parameter is needed.
I could use other plugins to achieve this, but I prefer RefinedWiki Style.
Solution
Add a root parameter or create a new plugin thats supports sub-dashboard based on a root page parameter.
I ws wondering whether there is a way to change the background color in personal spaces or even allow users to use a background picture in their space?
I used before:
{style}
body {
background-image:url('https://fighting.onconfluence.com/download/attachments/5113613/party_background.jpg');
}
{style}
but this does not work anymore with refined wiki. The picture is cut off a bit and only visible at the bottom of the page. Any help would be great, please. Thanks!
We do a large amount of small projects so this list will quickly grow to an intimidating length. We also have a lot of clients, and therefore moving the client up the tree would result in having a category menu that extended beyond the edge of the browser, in the same way Jessica describes above. It would be much tidier if we could set our structure up like this:
Then it becomes easier to fold all and browse to correct deliverable more easily.
In fact that's brought something else to mind. On a separate note is it possible to set the categories so they start off collapsed rather than expanded?
We are thinking about adding more levels of categories. But we are challenging some problems we have to solve to create this function. We hope to include this function when we release the support for the upcoming Confluence 4.0 release later this year.
To have your categories collapsed, use the closed variable:
You find more information about the spaces-in-category macro here.
From my point of view categories is something different than subspaces and I wouldnt mind if you add a category level in addition.
A category is meant to be used as a collection of basic statement or a a class or division of people or things regarded as having particular shared characteristics. You would use a number of categories and sub-categories to organize something that has a common dominator.
A space is a continuous area or expanse that is free, available, or unoccupied. You would use a space and subspaces for something wherein you want to expand with something that has a common dominator on a hierarchical manner like you would do with a house, its floors, flats and rooms.
Category and space are not the same. You would not apply a category in a hierarchical manner as you would do it with subspaces as a category handles orders without being a space itself.
If you want to use levels to organize projects and their tasks you might prefer a solution like subspaces macro to achieve a hierarchical order of spaces under a category or subcategory of projects.
RefinedWiki did provide something new to confluence by introducing categories which should stay as it is or could be extended to maybe three levels – but where to end?
It would be an advantage if RefinedWiki would supports subspaces within a category which actually does work partly but their are a few things that cant be achieved due to confluence limitations. One of the missing capabilities is custom sorting and display of subspaces created with subspaces plugin. Sometimes you will need an order of spaces
You could keep in mind that reporting plugin from CustomWare can handle custom listing of spaces to create overview pages for projects.
At current spaces-in-category does not support to display hierarchical order generated through subspaces plugin which would be a real enhancement if it would do so. I use category-in-spaces to display all spaces by category sorted by name and I did add with expand-macro an additional area which displays all spaces in its hierarchical or custom order with reporting-plugin or subspaces-macro.
Some of the existing limitations are related to Confluence itself or some third party plugins, which limits the abilities of RefinedWiki to do something about it but maybe we will see a better integration of subspaces -plugin.
Thanks Klaus for your detailed input. It was a thoughtful analysis of the use of categories and sub-spaces. We will definitely consider your feedback when we improve this function.
Hi, we have started the development of unlimited layers of sub-categories. This feature will be included in version 2.2 which will be released in a couple of weeks.
Hi, been admiring your theming system for quite a while now and especially love the improvements you have brought to the recently-updated macros, they are golden. I am seriously considering dropping our current theming system for RWOT some time this year.
However, I do have a question/feature request regarding the quick search box. One problematic situation is having standard naming conventions across multiple spaces. Searching for a specific page in our wiki may show the same title x 20, if the standard page exists in 20 spaces. Would it be possible to show the space of a page by default in the quick search results?
I see this as a configurable option in the Confluence Admin section, a simple checkbox "show spaces in quick search by default". With the check turned off, the behavior would be what it is now, i.e. you can see the space by hovering the mouse over the search result. But this is very slow if there are 20 results, so the feature would be a big time-saver.
The purpose is largely the same as in the recently-updated-dashboard-category macro: save time by seeing which items are relevant to my interests immediately without having to check each one separately by hovering the mouse over the result.
I understand that the space names may clutter the search results if spaces have very long names, but in our wiki this is rarely the case. We try to keep all space names short and concise. I think the space name could also be displayed with a smaller font and perhaps below each page title instead of after it.
Edit: Now that I think about it a bit more, the space name could be truncated to some maximum amount of characters and trail off with "..." after that. The same way quick search currently works for long page titles. :)
How difficult would this be to implement?
Thanks for your massive contribution to Confluence usability. :)
I actually wanted to implement the exact same change. :) Emil has updated RefinedWiki's stance on this issue and stated that they will try to make the search function customizable in the next version!
You can create a custom design and start from one of the system designs. Then go to the Top section (tab) in the design editor and replace the #originaltheme_search() with $helper.renderConfluenceMacro("THE_MACRO_YOU_WANT_TO_USE").
You find more information about the design editor at the Create custom designs page.
When using the new Atlassian Calendar plugin with the Original Theme, the "Add Calendar" button (drop-down, really) does not show. Can the theme be configured to show the button or would this be a feature request?
-- Comment originally posted in 1.x / 2.x documentation: should have been posted in 3.x --
Emil, the plugin looks really nice!
In the past I've used Theme Builder (no longer a supported product) to build an Intranet site used by 25,000 users. I'm now with a different organization and I'm looking to put together both an internal Intranet site and an external "Members" extranet site. The internal size is rather small, but the external member extranet site will have 20,000+ members.
Can you comment on the following feature requests:
It would be great to include pages in addition to spaces in the category menus. This is needed to direct people to specific content - it is impractical to create a space each time a menu item needs to be created. With large sites there are too many users and the content is too dynamic to force the menu items to point just to the top of a space.
Associate a custom icon with a menu item. Having custom icons really helps users understand how to navigate to where they are going.
Allow references and the appearance of the dashboard to be removed. The dashboard really confuses casual users! This was one of our biggest issues with user adoption the last time I did this. This would mean removing the dashboard from the menu, from the category dashboard (instead define a page/space to go to if you click on a category), and maybe even the breadcrumbs (though we left that last time).
Allow the width of spaces not to all have to be the same. In general, we found that an Intranet space was highly structured, i.e. fixed width with controlled content. The information that the Intranet linked to though was varied. Some of the information linked to by the Intranet would be documentation and unstructured content (needing to be variable/full width). At other times the Intranet would link to department/team home pages. These were like mini Intranet home pages (looking bast fixed width).
This last one we never previously accomplished (except by installing multiple copies of the wiki) - but I'll ask anyways. Allow there to be multiple category trees and therefore multiple menu layouts for what appear as subsites. By this I suggest adding a roots to the current Organize Spaces and Categories screen. A admin could then create multiple roots and have different pages/spaces in each. Visiting any page/space within a rooted tree would result in only the menu items in that tree showing. Navigation across trees could occur by something like a URL link.
We're almost ready to launch RefinedWiki in our organization. Next Monday is the big day! SO excited.
I already have a couple of feature requests that have come up in pre-launch testing:
Include an option to open space category menus by hovering the mouse over them. It would save some time if we didn't have to click on the arrow (which is rather small and requires precision to hit exactly) to see the spaces in the category. Clicking on the tab itself could still bring the user to the category dashboard. Optionally, when hovering opens the menu, the Dashboard link could be included at the top. That way there is minimal confusion for the user as to how to get to the category dashboard...
Add "Add Blog Post" and "Add Page" buttons also to the category dashboards! It would seem logical to show them in every dashboard.
Thanks. This is a great product you're building.
EDIT: One month after launching our new theme, I can tell you that the response has been tremendously positive. Almost everyone thinks usability was improved by a large margin, and it seems whole groups of people are taking the system more seriously now that it looks robust and well-designed. I can't quite yet confirm that adoption and usage have grown after launching the new theme, but after a couple of months we should be able to see it in usage statistics. I simply cannot describe the feeling I get when I see the expressions on people's faces after learning about the new theme and seeing it in action. The importance of the look and feel of a wiki (or any information system for that matter) cannot be overemphasized. It's extremely important for people to take a system seriously, to want to use it, to be able to use it easily, and to want to contribute to it.
A small delay, 100-200ms perhaps, might be good. If they open instantly, it might give a restless impression of the interface. I often move my mouse cursor over the menus on the way to the breadcrumbs links, for instance. It might disturb me there if the menus open instantly.
Of course the delay shouldn't be so big that it would be faster to click on the arrow...
One of our users pointed out more improvements related to menus.
First, that same open-on-hover + delay could be applied to the Add, Tools, Browse and User menus. It's logical that all menus operate the same way.
Second, since Edit and Share are buttons and Add/Tools/Browse/User are menus, the menus could display a small downward arrow to distinguish them from Edit and Share. Currently users don't know which elements are action buttons and which are menus. Daily users of course learn this quickly by heart, but more infrequent users would find the UI more intuitive this way.
More feature requests. This time mostly related to blog posts. Atlassian hasn't done a very good job with the blog view imho, but RefinedWiki could fix that with a few simple improvements.
First, Regarding the blog view:
Why is the sidebar for blogs on the right side, but pages on the left side? It's a bit confusing that the sidebar changes sides when switching between pages and blog posts.
There are no Next/Previous/Browse(All) links at the top or bottom of the current blog post. This is standard blog functionality, so why not add them? Yes, blog posts are listed chronologically in the sidebar... but I intuitively look for Next/Previous buttons when browsing blog posts. It is also frustrating that I can't return to the blog listing from a Browse or All link in a single post. You can only select a certain month from the sidebar, and you can only return to the default "all blog posts" view by going to Browse -> Blog. Very counter-intuitive. A "return to listing", whether all blogs or blogs for a certain month, should be included somewhere. So the top of the single post could look something like: << Previous Return to [blog listing/month archive] Next >>
There is no paging in the view for all blog posts. If I want to look for older blog posts, I have to browse them by month. This drives me insane sometimes! Why not just show 10 blog posts per page, and you can go back as far as you want? It's not intuitive to browse blogs by month. I may want to look at the blog posts for a certain month, but even then I want to select that month from a nested archive list in the sidebar (as in most blogs on the web). I don't want to keep clicking one month at a time until I hit January 2010.
There is currently no blog search. Why not add a search to the sidebar (in blog view) that searches only blog posts?
Regarding favorites: They are currently sorted by age, but most users try to scan their favorites list in alphabetical order (like the favorite spaces list next to it). Could this be changed so they are displayed in alphabetical order?
Finally, regarding navigation: It is a bit confusing that the global logo disappears from sight when moving to a space that has a space logo. If half of all spaces have a space logo and half does not, clicking the logo does different things for different spaces. This can be frustrating because it is not intuitive. My suggestion for improving this is that space-specific logos would be displayed where the link to the space home page is right now. The global logo should always be visible and clicking it should always return the user to the dashboard (or whatever the Confluence homepage is set to). This way the navigation stays consistent between spaces. The only difference would be that for spaces that have a space logo, that logo would be displayed in the left-hand side of the toolbar. Mockup: Oh, and one more thing. The arrow to the left of the space-home link is a bit confusing. It takes the user back to the category dashboard, but logically I would assume it takes me one step back (navigation-wise) or one step up (hierarchy-wise). The tooltip does display the space category name, but it should still indicate more clearly what it actually does.
About the space logo this one i more tricky because this affect a lot of different use cases. Some of our customers wants the spaces pages to feel more like a "wiki" of its own. But we will think about this.
Could Sub-Categories have a URL in the same way that a Category can? I have a great deal of information in my wiki that I would like to provide quick access to. Having a Sub-Category go directly to a page within a space (or any other URL for that matter) would be very useful.
getting a wiki ready to go live for a client shortly and customising things left right and centre
Just one question... Is it possible to bring the login screen more in-line with the standard confluence login, at the moment it has quite a few elements of navigation present and the wiki name lives on the upper bar. We'd really like to be able to strip it back. Any clues or ideas would be welcome.
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Klaus Feldmann
Display role or post.
On all pages and overviews I can popup a window to see the status of a user and more but what I do not see is his post or role inside the organization or his phone number.
This is very important for a big number of users where you have to select the right person to communicate with.
Could you please add at least the post or role and phone number between name of user and his e-mail address.
You could provide it as an option to be shown only to registered users.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
PS. 31. Oct. 2010 – Meanwhile I found the User Profile Plug In, which seems to provide what I am looking for. Unfortunately it also seem to be not compatible with confluence 3.4, and the style of the user popup window which shows up if you hover over a userlink is not that nice as refinedwiki standards. Have a glance on this plugin in and you might like to implement such functionality in refinedwiki themes.
Nov 15, 2010
Emil Sjödin
Hi, we haven't made any changes to the user popup and they are not so easy to change from a theme. You should give this feature request to the Atlassian team.
Dec 08, 2010
Klaus Feldmann
RefinedWiki Style Expand-Macro
I like to modify the include user macro to show RefinedWiki style + - Icons as used on categories but I could not find the icon and guess its included into RefinedWiki jar.
To modify include macro to use + - instead of the right and down arrows I need to know $imagePath and corresponding files.
I think its just nice to keep RefinedWiki style also within content.
Could you please provide it – here is the code: Writing the Expand User Macro
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
Nov 13, 2010
Klaus Feldmann
Add custom field to name home page on space creation:.
Could you please add a a custom field on RefinedWiki default space settings to set a default for which name is used instead of "Home" for a new space on creation. As is I always have to change name of spaces after creation because "home" is odd in German. Even better would be if a custom name for spaces would relay on category settings. So each category could have a custom field to set the name of home page of a space. A postfix could be also handy.
Advantage: A predefined custom Name helps to distinguish home pages.
So what to do:
1.add one field in categories that overwrites "home" as home page name.
2. add a postfix in categories that will be added to the custom name of a new home page.
3. follow this concept on subcategories
Cheers.
Nov 15, 2010
Emil Sjödin
About the name "Home" on the first page created in a page. This is a improvement you should point out to Atlassian.
About the custom name in categories. We want to keep the category management as simple as possible. I have added this to our feature wish-list.
Nov 13, 2010
Klaus Feldmann
Custom Categorie and Sub-Category Layout
A better solution than "Add custom field to name home page on space creation" would be to modify Global space layout to be available on categories and sub-categories.
Someone creates a categorie and applies some default layout settings for new spaces created under this category and even name of home page could be customized.
A sub-category would follow this structure with its own default layout setting.
Global space default layout would stay as it is.
How to use:
1. If someone creates a new space and does not select any category – global default space layout will be used.
2. If someone creates a new space and does select a category but not a subcategory – specific category default layout will be used.
3. If someone creates a new space and does select a category and a subcategory – specific sub-category default layout will be used.
What to prepare:
Admin users would have to create there layout style according their demand and insert it according to their spaces into the corresponding category and sub-category default layout fields. After this applied every new space could be createt right away with its specific settings on demand.
Prospect
Customized default layouts of categories and sub-categories could custom content specific for certain styles and arangements for different kind of knowledge-bases, tasks, projects, documentations, custom content, languages etc. or even templates or live-templates.
With this provided RefinedWiki would increase in its clean and easy concept.
Cheers,
Nov 13, 2010
Klaus Feldmann
Sort by Space-Name, Space-Key, or Custom-Order
Actually spaces in categories and sub-categories are sorted according to their space-names. This ends up that spaces migt be displayed in an odd order not corresponding to workflows and what people look for.
How to use:
While starting to create a space and after assign of space-name, space-key and permissions last step would be to apply on demand category and maybe also subcategory. In this area are 3 radio buttons that a user can either select sort by space-name (which will stay default), sort by space-key or sort on custom-order.
Custom-order would have a number to select as you do have it as an option for category-tabs.
This will display the spaces in only in Sorted order as it would make no real sense on Team, Favorite or New Tab sections on Dashboard view.
Prospect
With Custom Sort users find spaces on demand as they would expect to appear according to workflows and sub-space features of other plugins could be omitted.
Cheers
Nov 15, 2010
Emil Sjödin
Thanks for you feature requests. I've added them to our feature wish-list.
Cheers
Nov 18, 2010
Klaus Feldmann
"Mail to Space" and "Create Page out of E-Mail"
since 2005 people ask for a feature in confluence to be able to convert a mail out of mail-archive to a page which hasn’t been followed up jet.
Adaptavist provides this feature with its compound-menuitem macro but this need to be used on a theme-builder theme as the mail archive page cant be modified unless someone redo customization on that page-layout every time an upgrade occurs.
Actually an e-mail received with an attachment must be copied manually and the attachment must be downloaded, a new page must be created, the text inserted and attachment uploaded again – well this does not sound like being in 2010.
Why do we need E-mail
It is possible to send E-mails directly into a page or news blog with certain plugins. I tested them all but non of them are stable. One of those plugins just blown away one of my spaces that way I had to rebuild it. But E-mail archive seems to be stable and it keeps the header of an received e-mail which others don’t do.
Working with projects on RefinedWiki we do have a second communication channel running with E-Mails. To keep track of all documents and actuality is quite a big job to do and it still occurs that wrong versions are in use. While I can send E-Mail out of confluence I could solve this problem if we could manage to receive E-Mails into confluence which could be forwarded to project spaces. Than I could cut off this second communication channel - keep all actual at one place.
Solution
With RefinedWiki it might be possible to add just as an menu option to create a page including attachments out of an e-mail – as it already is a page within confluence – to receive a duplicate for further workflow processing to enhance project management capabilities. I would leave the e-mail archive untouched to get some kind of e-mail protocol and save point.
Cheers.
Dec 05, 2010
Klaus Feldmann
Blogs visible on sub-dashboard
Blogs visible on dashboard are created by adding a label visible_on_dashboard to a blog and will be invisible again by removing this label from a blog by triggering blogpost status button.
We use blogs on space level, category level and dashboard level to keep people informed about more and more global actions.
I created on catergory/sub-dashboard following macro and add such a label with add-label macro.
Solution
I would like to see you adding this ability as a standard, so it would be as easy to use as what label visible_on_dashboard does.
Let us have a button nearby the visible_on_dashboard button that allows us to add and remove a category label for local category blogs so that they could be easily added or removed from sub-dashboard of a category.
Thanks in advance
Dec 06, 2010
Emil Sjödin
Hi Klaus,
This is an interesting feature. I've added it to the wish-list.
Cheers
Dec 17, 2010
Klaus Feldmann
Improvement on "recently-updated-dashboard-category"
On some cases it would be great if this plug-in would support a root page to be set. Pagetree does support this already.
What I like to create is some kind of "recently-updated-sub-dashboard-rootpage", within a pagetree I like to get a sub-dashboard which is helpful on spaces which contain fast updating content. The Idea is to split recently-updated reports according to a pagetree - thus a root page parameter is needed.
I could use other plugins to achieve this, but I prefer RefinedWiki Style.
Solution
Add a root parameter or create a new plugin thats supports sub-dashboard based on a root page parameter.
Thanks in advance.
Jan 08, 2011
Steffen Heinz
Hi!
I ws wondering whether there is a way to change the background color in personal spaces or even allow users to use a background picture in their space?
I used before:
{style} body { background-image:url('https://fighting.onconfluence.com/download/attachments/5113613/party_background.jpg'); } {style}but this does not work anymore with refined wiki. The picture is cut off a bit and only visible at the bottom of the page. Any help would be great, please. Thanks!
Best,
Steffen
Jan 18, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Hi Steffen,
This code should work:
Jan 17, 2011
Tadhg McCarthy
We would love the ability to create a deeper category structure.
I can see our categories getting quite out of control after a few years. What we can currently achieve:
1. Projects[category]
2.------Client - Campaign [category]
2.1----------------------Deliverable [space]
2.1----------------------Deliverable [space]
We do a large amount of small projects so this list will quickly grow to an intimidating length. We also have a lot of clients, and therefore moving the client up the tree would result in having a category menu that extended beyond the edge of the browser, in the same way Jessica describes above. It would be much tidier if we could set our structure up like this:
1. Projects [category]
2.------Client [category]
2.1--------Campaign [category]
2.1.1----------------------Deliverable [space]
2.1.2----------------------Deliverable [space]
Then it becomes easier to fold all and browse to correct deliverable more easily.
In fact that's brought something else to mind. On a separate note is it possible to set the categories so they start off collapsed rather than expanded?
Tadhg
Jan 18, 2011
Emil Sjödin
We are thinking about adding more levels of categories. But we are challenging some problems we have to solve to create this function. We hope to include this function when we release the support for the upcoming Confluence 4.0 release later this year.
To have your categories collapsed, use the closed variable:
You find more information about the spaces-in-category macro here.
Jan 18, 2011
Tadhg McCarthy
That's great news, thanks for letting me know.
Jan 18, 2011
Klaus Feldmann
From my point of view categories is something different than subspaces and I wouldnt mind if you add a category level in addition.
A category is meant to be used as a collection of basic statement or a a class or division of people or things regarded as having particular shared characteristics. You would use a number of categories and sub-categories to organize something that has a common dominator.
A space is a continuous area or expanse that is free, available, or unoccupied. You would use a space and subspaces for something wherein you want to expand with something that has a common dominator on a hierarchical manner like you would do with a house, its floors, flats and rooms.
Category and space are not the same. You would not apply a category in a hierarchical manner as you would do it with subspaces as a category handles orders without being a space itself.
If you want to use levels to organize projects and their tasks you might prefer a solution like subspaces macro to achieve a hierarchical order of spaces under a category or subcategory of projects.
RefinedWiki did provide something new to confluence by introducing categories which should stay as it is or could be extended to maybe three levels – but where to end?
It would be an advantage if RefinedWiki would supports subspaces within a category which actually does work partly but their are a few things that cant be achieved due to confluence limitations. One of the missing capabilities is custom sorting and display of subspaces created with subspaces plugin. Sometimes you will need an order of spaces
You could keep in mind that reporting plugin from CustomWare can handle custom listing of spaces to create overview pages for projects.
At current spaces-in-category does not support to display hierarchical order generated through subspaces plugin which would be a real enhancement if it would do so. I use category-in-spaces to display all spaces by category sorted by name and I did add with expand-macro an additional area which displays all spaces in its hierarchical or custom order with reporting-plugin or subspaces-macro.
Some of the existing limitations are related to Confluence itself or some third party plugins, which limits the abilities of RefinedWiki to do something about it but maybe we will see a better integration of subspaces -plugin.
Jan 25, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Thanks Klaus for your detailed input. It was a thoughtful analysis of the use of categories and sub-spaces. We will definitely consider your feedback when we improve this function.
Cheers
Feb 09, 2011
Naveed Tahir-Kheli
Hello,
Would it be possible to add a second layer of sub-categories in the newest theme version?
Thanks,
Naveed Tahir-Kheli
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Feb 14, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Hi, we have started the development of unlimited layers of sub-categories. This feature will be included in version 2.2 which will be released in a couple of weeks.
Cheers
Feb 11, 2011
Jonas Lindström
Show space by default in quick search
Hi, been admiring your theming system for quite a while now and especially love the improvements you have brought to the recently-updated macros, they are golden. I am seriously considering dropping our current theming system for RWOT some time this year.
However, I do have a question/feature request regarding the quick search box. One problematic situation is having standard naming conventions across multiple spaces. Searching for a specific page in our wiki may show the same title x 20, if the standard page exists in 20 spaces. Would it be possible to show the space of a page by default in the quick search results?
I see this as a configurable option in the Confluence Admin section, a simple checkbox "show spaces in quick search by default". With the check turned off, the behavior would be what it is now, i.e. you can see the space by hovering the mouse over the search result. But this is very slow if there are 20 results, so the feature would be a big time-saver.
The purpose is largely the same as in the recently-updated-dashboard-category macro: save time by seeing which items are relevant to my interests immediately without having to check each one separately by hovering the mouse over the result.
I understand that the space names may clutter the search results if spaces have very long names, but in our wiki this is rarely the case. We try to keep all space names short and concise. I think the space name could also be displayed with a smaller font and perhaps below each page title instead of after it.
Edit: Now that I think about it a bit more, the space name could be truncated to some maximum amount of characters and trail off with "..." after that. The same way quick search currently works for long page titles. :)
How difficult would this be to implement?
Thanks for your massive contribution to Confluence usability. :)
Feb 13, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Hi Jonas, I think this is a great idea. I will look in to it and get back to you.
Cheers
Mar 12, 2011
Silvio Escher
Hi Emil,
dunno if this is an Question related to Refinedwiki but how iam able to replace the Quicksearch with another Function ?
I want to use the instantsearch Plugin ( https://plugins.atlassian.com/plugin/details/16936?versionId=29561 ) and replace the
default Searchbox at the upper right corner ( on the Line with the Breadcrump )
Thanks,
Silvio
May 03, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Sorry for the late reply. I'm afraid that's not possible.
Aug 16, 2011
Jonas Lindström
I actually wanted to implement the exact same change. :) Emil has updated RefinedWiki's stance on this issue and stated that they will try to make the search function customizable in the next version!
Aug 16, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Yes, the feature which allows customization of the top area are implemented and will be shipped in the next release.
Sep 22, 2011
Jonas Lindström
It seems that it is still not possible to change the default search function in this new 3.0 release. Is this so?
Nov 01, 2011
Emil Sjödin
You can create a custom design and start from one of the system designs. Then go to the Top section (tab) in the design editor and replace the #originaltheme_search() with $helper.renderConfluenceMacro("THE_MACRO_YOU_WANT_TO_USE").
You find more information about the design editor at the Create custom designs page.
Sep 22, 2011
Jonas Lindström
Thanks! I missed that.
Jun 08, 2011
Eckhard Kämmer
Hi Emil,
When using the new Atlassian Calendar plugin with the Original Theme, the "Add Calendar" button (drop-down, really) does not show. Can the theme be configured to show the button or would this be a feature request?
Thanks,
Eckhard Kämmer
Jun 08, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Hi Eckhard, we have just released a new version which is compatible with the Team Calendars.
Sep 23, 2011
Don Gamble
-- Comment originally posted in 1.x / 2.x documentation: should have been posted in 3.x --
Emil, the plugin looks really nice!
In the past I've used Theme Builder (no longer a supported product) to build an Intranet site used by 25,000 users. I'm now with a different organization and I'm looking to put together both an internal Intranet site and an external "Members" extranet site. The internal size is rather small, but the external member extranet site will have 20,000+ members.
Can you comment on the following feature requests:
Looking forward to hearing what you think,
don.
Sep 27, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Hi Don,
thanks for your feature requests. I've added them to our feature wish-list.
Feature 1 - 4 is very interesting. Feature 5 is quite complex indeed.
We are working on different ways of displaying the category menu. We will have your thoughts from feature 1 in mind.
Nov 25, 2011
Jonas Lindström
Hi Emil,
We're almost ready to launch RefinedWiki in our organization. Next Monday is the big day! SO excited.
I already have a couple of feature requests that have come up in pre-launch testing:
Optionally, when hovering opens the menu, the Dashboard link could be included at the top. That way there is minimal confusion for the user as to how to get to the category dashboard...
Thanks. This is a great product you're building.
EDIT: One month after launching our new theme, I can tell you that the response has been tremendously positive. Almost everyone thinks usability was improved by a large margin, and it seems whole groups of people are taking the system more seriously now that it looks robust and well-designed. I can't quite yet confirm that adoption and usage have grown after launching the new theme, but after a couple of months we should be able to see it in usage statistics.
I simply cannot describe the feeling I get when I see the expressions on people's faces after learning about the new theme and seeing it in action. The importance of the look and feel of a wiki (or any information system for that matter) cannot be overemphasized. It's extremely important for people to take a system seriously, to want to use it, to be able to use it easily, and to want to contribute to it.
Oct 27, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Hi Jonas,
Thanks for your feature request.
Oct 27, 2011
Jonas Lindström
A small delay, 100-200ms perhaps, might be good. If they open instantly, it might give a restless impression of the interface. I often move my mouse cursor over the menus on the way to the breadcrumbs links, for instance. It might disturb me there if the menus open instantly.
Of course the delay shouldn't be so big that it would be faster to click on the arrow...
But it's hard to say without seeing for myself.
I'll trust your judgment on this one.
Nov 25, 2011
Jonas Lindström
Hi Emil,
One of our users pointed out more improvements related to menus.
First, that same open-on-hover + delay could be applied to the Add, Tools, Browse and User menus. It's logical that all menus operate the same way.
Second, since Edit and Share are buttons and Add/Tools/Browse/User are menus, the menus could display a small downward arrow to distinguish them from Edit and Share. Currently users don't know which elements are action buttons and which are menus. Daily users of course learn this quickly by heart, but more infrequent users would find the UI more intuitive this way.
-Jonas
Dec 05, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Thanks for those kind words. That's exactly the problem we want to solve with our product. I'm wery happy to here that we are on the right track.
Regarding open category on hover we will include that feature in the 3.1 release of the theme.
Cheers,
Emil
Nov 03, 2011
Jonas Lindström
Hi Emil,
More feature requests. This time mostly related to blog posts. Atlassian hasn't done a very good job with the blog view imho, but RefinedWiki could fix that with a few simple improvements.
So the top of the single post could look something like:
<< Previous Return to [blog listing/month archive] Next >>
My suggestion for improving this is that space-specific logos would be displayed where the link to the space home page is right now. The global logo should always be visible and clicking it should always return the user to the dashboard (or whatever the Confluence homepage is set to). This way the navigation stays consistent between spaces. The only difference would be that for spaces that have a space logo, that logo would be displayed in the left-hand side of the toolbar.
Mockup:
Oh, and one more thing.
Nov 07, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Thanks Jonas for your feature requests.
I'we added them to our internal system.
I like your thoughts about blogposts.
We will look in to how favorite pages are sorted.
About the space logo this one i more tricky because this affect a lot of different use cases. Some of our customers wants the spaces pages to feel more like a "wiki" of its own. But we will think about this.
Thanks
Dec 02, 2011
Mike Holdsworth
Could Sub-Categories have a URL in the same way that a Category can? I have a great deal of information in my wiki that I would like to provide quick access to. Having a Sub-Category go directly to a page within a space (or any other URL for that matter) would be very useful.
Dec 05, 2011
Emil Sjödin
Hi Mike, Thanks for feature request. This feature is added to our internal system. I will let you know if we will implement it.
Mar 26, 2012
James Lyons
Hello,
getting a wiki ready to go live for a client shortly and customising things left right and centre
Just one question... Is it possible to bring the login screen more in-line with the standard confluence login, at the moment it has quite a few elements of navigation present and the wiki name lives on the upper bar. We'd really like to be able to strip it back. Any clues or ideas would be welcome.
Thanks,
james
Mar 26, 2012
Emil Sjödin
Hi James, Which design are you using. Clean, point or original?
Mar 27, 2012
James Lyons
Good morning
using a custom theme based off clean with virtually no modifications, certainly no structural mods.
james
Mar 27, 2012
Emil Sjödin
Good morning,
Try this CSS code:
Add it to the stylesheet section in the admin menu.
Mar 27, 2012
James Lyons
Perfect, thanks (really ought to have worked out that myself) that's dead handy.
Just thinking, a body background change would carry over from other style changes but i assume that:
body#com-atlassian-confluence.login {new background img goes here}
would allow a change to just the login screen (which would be nice) or should i select:
body.login #rw_wrapper
?
I'll have a go at both.
Thanks again for your help.
regards,
james
PS adding:
body.login a.rw_menu_back
to the initial set of rules hides the back arrow in front of the wiki title too.